June 16, 2023 at 1:02 pm #99198
getting air into my rear tiger brakes over the winter, have to pump up pedal to get brakes, acts likes an adjustment issue but is not, bypassed booster and it’s the same, blocked off master cyl and it is solid, bled rear brakes as a last resort and that got it, do not see a residual check valve or proportional valve that I am used to seeing on disc brake systems, what am I missing here ?, how does this manage to work ?
June 18, 2023 at 2:51 pm #99217Sean JohnsonParticipant
There is no need for either in a single circuit brake system as the components are matched for displacement. You would only need a proportioning valve if something has been altered, like changing over to a different caliper or altering the rear wheel cylinders. When going to dual circuit brakes and changing the master cylinder you’d definitely want a prop valve. I’ve never seen a check valve or residual pressure valve on any Brit car.
Warped front brake rotors will push the pistons back into their bores resulting in a “dead” pedal and requiring several pumps to get brakes again. I don’t know how air got into the system only in the back, but I’d check to make sure all of the brake pipe fittings and the bleeder are tight and that the connections for the flex hose are tight. if they are loose, air will be drawn into the system as the brake pedal is released.
- This reply was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by Sean Johnson.
June 21, 2023 at 9:56 pm #99230Tom and Joanne EhrhartParticipant
Assume it is a standard stock brake system. The problem is air in system after sitting extended period of time. Sort’a like; worked when parked.
It is not likely the servo because it is a sealed unit. If servo leaks it is usually sucked into the engine.
If the car is stored in an environment where temperature swings are frequent, perhaps humidity high and Girling fluid is used, air and moisture will migrate past seals in the cylinders, including the master as corrosion develops.
Although air was extracted from rear cyl, it may have come from the master. It is not uncommon for master cyls to inject air as the seals wear and corrosion builds up in the bore from light corrosion deposits. Pumping the pedal tends to partially clean up the seals and make it functional again…..for a while.
Use silicone for vehicles used occasionally and parked for extended periods of time and these kinds of problems will not likely occur.
July 1, 2023 at 5:25 am #99248
Thanks guys, I’ve been a professional mechanic my whole life but I must say British cars are quite different than anything I’ve ever worked on. Live and learn.
July 1, 2023 at 6:18 pm #99250Sean JohnsonParticipant
If any of the system is original, or used NOS parts, you cannot use dot 5 silicone fluid as it is incompatible with natural rubber seals. If you have a new system, it must be complete cleaned with alcohol before switching to Dot 5 as Dot 4 and Dot 5 have different swelling properties and cannot be mixed.. if you don’t you will soon see black fluid in your reservoir… the black is the seal particles that have left their “hosts”.
additionally, Dot 5 is compressible, while Dot 4 is not. you will always have a slightly “spongy” pedal when using dot 5 fluid.
I understand the attraction of dot 5 as it cannot absorb water. like dot 4. Periodic maintenance was once an accepted fact of owning a car… people have gotten lazy. Brake fluid should be flushed and changed at least every 2 years.
July 2, 2023 at 7:43 am #99252
I’m aware of the issues when changing to dot 5, I’m a dot 5 lover, every collector car I own runs dot 5 and this one will eventually. the sponge you refer to disappears after a short time and does not return, as far as changing brake fluid goes other than you, myself and Tiger Tom I see no one in the industry doing this. They think I’m crazy. of course I change antifreeze every 2 years also and run distilled water and they say the same thing. on the residual check valve issue – every Ford vehicle since 1939 has a residual check valve built into the master cylinder – even 65 mustang sihgle bore cylinders, I still can’t see how any brake system can keep air out without one, that’s what it’s there for, if my problem persist next winter an inline residual valve will be installed to the rear only
July 2, 2023 at 10:34 am #99254Paul and Mary FreenParticipant
A Triumph tr4 has a residual valve. The purpose is to keep the rear shoes from retracting too much so they apply braking at a similar time to the front disc brakes.
I have used Cartel silicone brake fluid for 25 years and since then, no brake issues. Before I changed, nothing but problems.
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